The quote that brought you here came from a book I wrote a while ago called Spock's World, which was the first hardcover Star Trek novel. If I remember correctly (it was a good while ago...), Spock's future mother uses this particularly evocative Irish curse in front of his future father.
More than this, deponent saith not. :)
*The book is recently back in print as part of a "twofer" volume -- Ann Crispin's Sarek being the other half of it -- entitled Sand and Stars.
Now that DianeDuane.com finally has a server, over the next couple of weeks I'm going to start stripping some of the less bloggish stuff out of OOA, including the ancillary blogrolls and linklists, and relocating them over on the website. So things here may disappear abruptly, or look very weird, while I'm restructuring stuff. Apologies for any inconvenience.
(I also love the index-page Flash animation. There are other witty and handsome animations on the site as well -- from the front page, click on the figure with the top hat.)
Some more "Dark Kingdom: The Dragon King" feedback
Aww, I can't resist.
Dark Kingdom. Based on this old Norse/Germanic tale about the Ring of the Nibelung. It was pretty nifty. The Queen of Iceland was awesome.
So true.
So I just finished watching Dark Kingdom on sci-fi, that lovely mini series and I really liked it, especially Brunhild, the amazingly beautiful, ass kicking, double-bladed axe wielding valkyrie. Yea......she is great, the whole package really. Nonetheless, in the second part of the series, her lovely new husband, whats-his-name, who is in total: a overweight, rapidly aging, greedy and immoral, sterile fool who had tricked his good friend, the true love of Brunhild, amnesiac Siegfried into taking her belt of power and letting her fatty husband have his way with her, while she was tricked! Tricked I say!
Brunhild (Kristanna Loken / Queen of Iceland) kicked a lot of ass. I wish she had kicked more ass, but she did cut off the evil adviser's head and it doesn't get much better than that.
(And there was this... moment... when he stands up to the two roaring Saxon kings and utters the immortal words: "You killed my father!" At which point both [info]rdeck and I sat up and said in unison, "My name is Inigo Montoya... prepare to die!")
The morning after the nights before: "Dark Kingdom: The Dragon King"
Well, so it's finished airing...and SciFi is very pleased. From our producers this morning:
The premiere of Dark Kingdom averaged a 1.8 HH rating and 2.109 million total viewers (P2+).
This is the most-watched Monday program ever for Sci Fi in any second quarter.
Dark Kingdom delivered 1.181 million P25-54s, the #8 cable program for the day on Monday on this measure.
...Over on the BBs at SciFi there's a certain amount of approbation, a lot of confusion about where the story came from, and some indignation at the ending, along the lines of "How dare this not have a happy ending, it's a fairy tale, right, a fantasy, where's our happy ending?"
Ah well. We have ours. :) On to the next miniseries!
(The funniest remarks over there so far: (1) "There should be a sequel!" (Whoops, sorry, we seem to have killed everybody but Kriemhild. (2) "We want a series!" (Argh! But now that you mention it... NAAAH.) ;)
A mixed bag, as I kind of suspected. (But nearly all funny, one way or the other. My favorite (surprise, surprise) comes from the paper of record:
It's all a little reductive and soap-operaish, and viewers unfamiliar with the source material may find themselves a little puzzled about the relationship between the evil characters Alberich and Hagen, or even to learn, almost as an afterthought, that bathing in the dragon's blood has rendered Siegfried invulnerable. On the other hand, "Dark Kingdom," which was shown on European television nearly two years ago, is not unwatchable. Made for about $25 million, it looks as if it cost much more, with lots of Nordic-seeming ice and mist, and a dragon that, for once, really looks like a dragon, squatty and lizardlike. The director, Uli Edel, who also made the 2001 Arthurian mini-series "Mists of Avalon," has a feel for scenery and pageantry, and for the most part he tells the story straightforwardly, without condescending or camping it up.
By far the best thing in "Dark Kingdom" is Brunhild, played by Kristanna Loken, Arnold Schwarzenegger's nemesis in "Terminator 3," who was a molten, shape-shifting cyborg that most often assumed the form of a blond hottie. In "Dark Kingdom," with her furs, her blond dreadlocks, her martial-artsy way of wielding a spear, she's fierce and sexy -- a true Valkyrie, a warrior both on the ice floes and in the bedchamber. When King Gunther, who has won Brunhild's hand by deception, tries to claim his husbandly rights, he is instantly unmanned with weakness and performance anxiety.
(chuckle) "Not unwatchable": that'll do nicely. ...And herewith a few responses from out in the blogosphere:
This feature premieres as a mini-series on SciFi this week, but it's also being released on DVD at the same time. I scratched my head when the commercials hyped it as the best story to pre-date the Lord of the Rings. With the world's blandest title, I somehow doubted it. After doing some research, I see that its original (European) title was Ring of the Nibelungs. Now that makes more sense. Yes, the germanic myths that were the basis for Wagner's operas did have a certain influence on Tolkien. I guess the SciFi Channel didn't trust its audience to watch anything with "niebelungs" in the title.
Ding! Correct. (Probably, anyway, since this complaint kept coming up as regards other English-titled versions. We kept hearing from Channel Four in the UK, "No titles with 'lungs' in them. Sounds too gross.")
You have no idea how much trouble they had with that blood. As for the meteor...ah well. Never mind about the meteor.
They have switched the parts around completely! *returns to head palm* It is not Kriemhild that Siegfried loves - it is Brünhild. Oh, and Siegfried arrives in 'Burgundy' (Worms? oh, where's that?) a peasant son of a Blacksmith. Hagen is still his wonderful Hagen self. Fafnir has been reduced to an overgrown Iguana. And Alberich is now a Gollum wannabe. Only hairier, and thicker (I mean he is a dwarf after all... lol).
But that's the problem with the Nibelungenlied. No matter which version of the story you try to tell -- and there are many -- you absolutely aren't going to be able to please everybody.
Note: This should in no way be taken as an endorsement for Dark Kingdom! There's only so much Julian Sands one can take (although he's somewhat more fetching as a brunet).
That's the first time I've seen anyone use the masculine version of "brunette" in years. You get a gold star and a cookie.
Fair enough. Occasionally, in mid-rewrite, neither did we. ;)
...And there are many other comments out there, both positive and potentially crushing. Good thing we're both in the middle of other movies at the moment, and don't have the time to get particularly crushed.
This one, though, I have to wind up with, from the SciFi boards. Re Kristanna Loken:
New challenge grant goes up over at the "Big Meow" weblog
For those who're interested, another challenge grant has just gone up. A kindly donor has pledged $400 toward the completion of the Big Meow project...if subscribers / donors match it.
The last challenge was completed in something like three hours. Let's see how long this one takes... (And to all of you who've already subscribed or donated, thanks again. Chapter Two of the book is running to schedule and -- assuming that we hit this chapter's subscription "break-even point" on time -- will be available to the subscribers on April 3.)
What a great name for a blog: "Statistically Improbable Phrases"
I ran into this on Amazon this morning while adding something to a wishlist. Down at the bottom of a book's listing you'll find this data, harvested (I'd guess) from the "Look Inside" feature.
So I went immediately to find out what some of mine would have been. (Anything to put off a little longer the trauma of another wrestling match with the Big Meow mailing lists. Yes, we're about to shake the can again: another challenge/matching grant will be turned loose shortly.)
From Wizards at War: otherspace pocket, spell diagram, dog biscuit box, royal sire, annoyed breath, transit circle, blaster fire, mobile weapon, giant bugs, manual functions, other wizards, pup tent
From The Book of Night with Moon: ehhif wizards, sixth claw, flirted her tail, malfunctioning gate, patent gate, neural inhibitor, lashed her tail, tenth life, stretched fore, other wizards, string structure, tail lashed, main concourse, young wizard, flea powder
Or rather, just news. Apparently there was a US Premiere party for the miniseries in one of my old home towns, Philadelphia: Phillyist covers it. And will you look at the outfit Kristanna's wearing. Zowie!
(Even Peter's mum, watching a DVD of the original cut, was heard to remark, "She looks good even when they've made her wear a rug.")
It's great to see her looking so well: Kristanna is a very sweet person...and very smart. I hope all this publicity does her endless good.
(I really wish I could see this thing tonight, but the European side of SciFi isn't carrying it, alas. Somebody let me know if they cut the nude scene.)(Oops, did I say too much?) ;)
(Probably this article requires a subscription to read. But here are our favorite lines:)
Ms. Loken, who plays Brunhild, thinks that tough female roles find her, and not the other way around. After touching down naked on Rodeo Drive as T-X, the killer cyborg, in "Terminator 3," a barrage of scripts found their way to her, but couldn't hold her interest.
"And then this script came along," she said from her home in Los Angeles, "and I couldn't put it down. I read it in one sitting with only one break -- to use the toilet."
Orwell once remarked that one reason fascism never took off in Britain was because the sight of a goose-stepping soldier would prompt your average Englishman to giggle. Someone is now silencing the giggles. And our world is a lot creepier because of it.
Not only a kindly review, but kind of a funny one. From Variety:
Dark Kingdom: The Dragon King
(Miniseries -- Sci Fi, Mon.-Tues. March 27-28, 9 p.m.)
Filmed in South Africa by Tandem Communications. Executive producers, Rola Bauer, Tim Halkin, Andreas Grosch, Andreas Schmid; producer, Konstantin Thoeren; co-producers, Volker Engel, Marc Weigert; line producer, Marlow de Mardt; director, Uli Edel; writers, Diane Duane, Peter Morwood, Edel.
Eric/Siegfried - Benno Furmann Brunhild - Kristanna Loken Kriemhild - Alicia Witt Hagen - Julian Sands King Gunther - Samuel West Eyvind - Max Von Sydow
By BRIAN LOWRY
Produced two years ago for German television, this nice-looking two-parter explores elements of the Nibelungen saga peripheral to Wagner's "Ring" operas, and it ranges from kind of good -- along the lines of Robert Halmi Sr.'s older made-formade-for-TV epics -- to pretty awful, though sometimes in an entertaining way. Those willing to view the performances and dialogue with a "cut them some slack" attitude will be rewarded with some stylish action sequences, as well as a big, frothy Dark Ages soap operasoap opera. Of course, popping in any "Lord of the Rings" DVD would be a perfectly rational alternative.
It's to the credit of the original myths that every aspect of this story feels familiar, down to muscular star Benno Furmann making like a young Arnold SchwarzeneggerArnold Schwarzenegger in "Conan the Barbarian" and yelling in a Germanic accent, "You killed my father!" Adding to the parallel, "Conan" co-star Max Von Sydow is on hand, bringing a touch of fatherly class to the proceedings.
This barbarian is a prince, separated from his parents when they're killed during his childhood and he's cast, Moses-like, into the river. There, he's found by a kindly blacksmith (Von Sydow), who raises Prince Siegfried as Eric, a brawler whose swordsmanship is unparalleled.
Eric demonstrates his skill by fighting and besting Queen Brunhild ("Terminator 3's" Kristanna Loken), endowed with divine power by the Valkyrie and committed to wedding only a man who can overcome her in combat. Sworn to Brunhild but separated from her, Eric, now Siegfried, journeys to the kingdom of Burgund, where his broad shoulders catch the eye of Princess Kriemhild (Alicia Witt).
Siegfried also impresses her brother, King Gunther (Samuel West), by slaying a local dragon, in a sequence highly reminiscent of the movie "Dragonslayer" but nevertheless well conceived and executed. In doing so, he wins the treasure of the mystic Nibelungs, unleashing all the jealousy and avarice that the promise of great riches tends to engender.
It's around here that the saga takes a turn into "The Young, Teutonic and Restless," as Princess Kriemhild conspires with Gunther's evil adviser, Hagen (Julian Sands, in Snidely Whiplash makeup), to magically cause Siegfried to fall in love with her. Once smitten, Siegfried becomes drawn into Gunther's attempts to wed Brunhild, using magic to win her hand.
"Dark Kingdom" drags a bit through these sequences, and some of the dialogue sounds plucked from an old Steve Reeves movie. Still, director Uli Edel remains true to the tragic nature of the myth, and it's a handsome enough production, shot in South Africa for more than $20 million.
Fans of the genre will go through finding their favorite movie parallels ("Hey, that was in 'The Vikings!' "), but setting cynicism aside, it's a worthy enough exercise in "check your brain at the door" fluff. And on the plus side, nobody needs to fight an icy Norse warrior queen for the privilege of watching it.
Camera, Elemer Ragalyi; editor, Roberto Silvi; music, Ilan Eshken; production designer, Albrecht Konrad; visual effects directors, Engel, Weigert; casting, Carol Dudley, Sharon Howard Fields, Cornelia von Braun. 4 HOURS
Just a note in passing regarding something that came up
I ran across this reference to the Big Meow project in a nice weblog called Everyday Literacies:
Online narrative writing practices, especially those associated with fanfic writing have spawned a reading and peer editing process generally referred to as 'beta reading'. Basically, the process involves the author posting a narrative, or a chapter from a more extended narrative, to a relatively private public space like a blog before publishing it in a wider or more formal venue, including as meatspace novels, and asks for reader feedback on work done so far (e.g., the novel,Four and Twenty Blackbirds was written this way). Now, Diane Duane, a writer of young adult fiction, is posting online installments of her latest novel, Feline Wizards 3: The Big Meow, for readers to review and provide feedback on....
Erm. Can I clear something up here (before the mailbox starts filling up with kindly offers)? I'm not posting the chapters "for readers to review and provide feedback on." I'm publishing them to publish them. :)
...Oh, doubtless there'll be some critique and comment here and there; but that was never the point of putting the chapters up. (Nor would I dream of trying to blanket-pressgang beta readers in such a manner: it'd smack too much of trying to get other people to do my work for me.) The idea has been (a) to let people see the material as it would go to an editor in first-draft form: (b) and just plain to let them read and enjoy it, since a lot of folks clearly want access to it the very minute each chapter is ready. (BTW, editorial is handled: I've already hired a professional editor -- one I've worked with before on more conventionally published books -- to assist me in going over the material when the book is done.)
So if anybody sees anything in the pages on the Big Meow website suggesting that I'm soliciting beta-readers, please let me know where it is so that I can get it out of there. I don't want anyone getting the wrong idea of what's going on.
So far it's only available in HTML and PDF formats. If anyone's interested in seeing any other formats go up, let me know and I'll see what we can do.
Meanwhile, have fun!
(And also, thanks and a tip of the virtual hat to the excellent Cory and Neil; and greetings to the many fellow readers of BoingBoing.net and Neil's journal, who they've kindly sent in this direction.)
...BTW: one of the "extra goodies" for subscribers referred to at the website is going to be access to my research blogs. (Try to figure out what the writer's going to do!) I use Onfolio to organize these. Onfolio is essentially a smart bookmarking tool; it allows you to save whole webpages (or just links to them) and is able to store them either in your own computer, or online, or both, so that you can access them via RSS, or just plain as weblogs, from wherever. This one, for A Wizard of Mars, would be typical:
Obviously there are also ones I don't make public. :) (And probably a fair number of people hoping I'll slip and post something sensitive to the non-sensitive ones. It could happen...)
He forwarded me this link this morning. Once again, tea all over the keyboard...
Stalin: hey hitler you dont fight me i dont fight u, cool? Hitler[AoE]; sure whatever Stalin: cool deGaulle: **** Hitler rushed some1 help Hitler[AoE]: lol byebye frenchy Roosevelt: i dont got **** to help, sry Churchill: wtf the luftwaffle is attacking me Roosevelt: get antiair guns Churchill: i cant afford them benny-tow: u n00bs know what team talk is? paTTon: stfu Roosevelt: o yah hit the navajo button guys
Footnote: "...The $100 laptop [for developing countries] running on a free Linux operating system -- not on Microsoft Windows -- is being built by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology's media guru Nicholas Negroponte with support from Microsoft rival, search giant Google. ...Some of the low-cost devices are expected to include a hand-cranked generator so that they can be charged-up in developing countries where electricity is often scarce. The generators are expected to yield about 10 minutes of computer use for each minute of cranking.
"...One Laptop Per Child, a non-profit organization created to further the cause of the $100 laptop, has said 5 million to 15 million units will be launched via pilot programs in China, India, Brazil, Argentina, Egypt, Nigeria, and Thailand. The organization is expected to start rolling out the laptops in 2007."
We've had about twenty queries about this today. We always get these this time of year.
(sigh) I surrender.
Corned beef comes from the brisket and silverside (just under the topside) of the cow. Both of these are tough cuts requiring either long, slow cooking, or pickling in brine, or both -- hence their use in corned beef. See this article for lots more information.
And I don't know anyone in my part of Ireland who will be eating it tomorrow. It's usually seen as poor people's food. It's a pain to cook properly, and most people don't have the time or inclination, these days. The above article will tell you more about that, too. (Once again I checked the supermarket to see if I was possibly mistaken about this. And once again I found the usual result: three packages of corned beef, eighty packages of assorted pork and boiling bacon.)
To all those of you about to go Drown The Shamrock: Yes, yes, for tomorrow you're all Irish. Enjoy. (But be warned: when you get over here, no matter how many Irish ancestors you have, even this one, twenty years won't be anything like enough to make you really Irish. And don't think an Irish passport will matter: the neighbors won't be fooled. ..But you knew the job was dangerous when you took it.)
Enjoy anyway. And don't dye the beer green. That's one of the things really Irish people really don't need to do. The green is either in your heart, or it's not. Putting it in your liver won't matter a bit. :)
"The Big Meow" Chapter One: access info has gone out
Just so that everybody knows: access information for Chapter One has gone out to all TBM subscribers.
The mailing list software is still acting up, so I've had to gang-email everyone by hand this morning. If you're a subscriber and you do not receive your access info today, please mail me and I'll see what's going on. (In particular, I've had to hand-compile the subscriber lists, so there's always the chance that an address might have gotten mangled or dropped out.)
I'm formatting it at the moment, and it'll be going up shortly. There'll be two versions to start with -- a PDF version (printable) and an HTML (web-friendly) version.
After it goes up, I'll start sending out passwords to the subscribers and donors so that they can read the chapter. Please be patient with me about this, as the password-making program is having teething troubles: it may take some while to get it running (and if I can't get it running by 1 AM my time, please forgive me, but I'm going to go to bed and deal with it first thing in the morning).
This guy does some of the most astonishing trompe l'oeil / spoof-the-eye chalk drawings I've ever seen. (I assume he has a web page somewhere, but I didn't know where until a few minutes ago: it's here.) Anyway, the images linked to above came to me from one of our Swiss friends this morning. Thanks, Res!
Res says: "Julian Beever is an English artist who's famous for his art on the pavements of England, France, Germany, the USA, Australia and Belgium." I can get a sense of why that would be...
As someone who frequently indulges in pastimes like the writing of epic fantasy that involve the extinction of humanity (or various other important species), this button strikes something of a chord, as it deals with a slightly more challenging variation on the theme...
(snicker)
The whole website is one of those quiet labors of love that you sometimes stumble across on the Web. (like VillainSupply.com, now gone, alas...) Thanks and a tip of the hat to Fern at Spectator Mode, without whom I wouldn't have found it.
(chuckle) I've been tagged (also: new challenge grant)
(Just a quick note: Those of you who've been following the Big Meow situation may want to know that there's a new challenge grant up and running now, courtesy of another [for the moment] mysterious donor who's put up USD $1000 for other donors to meet. Details here at the Big Meow weblog.)
Meanwhile, I see that I've been tagged by Gerard at Presurfer. I've been fived!
The Five Things Tag
What were you doing ten years ago? *Just coming back from our first Fasnacht in Switzerland. (We couldn't make it this year, too much work pressure...annoying. Otherwise I'd be in Basel right this minute, sleeping off the Morgestraich.) Probably also writing the ST novel Intellivore and the Feline Wizards book The Book of Night with Moon, and finishing work on my final Spider-Man book.
What were you doing one year ago? * March 6th of '05...Blogging about the taxonomy of biscuits, apparently. (See, this is what blogging is good for....)
Five snacks you enjoy: * Chocolate (in nearly any form, with a definite preference for Lindt bittersweet and the little hot praline waffles from what's its face in Brugge) * Wise potato chips (...enjoy them entirely too much, in fact. It's probably a good thing I can't get at them that often.) * Goldfish crackers * Pretzels * Bacon rinds (of the Bac-N-Ets variety)
Five songs to which you know all the lyrics: This is an area where I don't particularly shine. However: *"The Star-Spangled Banner" (having once very much impressed a bunch of sozzled Swiss soldiers with it: they asked me to teach it to them, as they really liked the high notes, at which they excelled. "It's originally a drinking song," I said. "It helps to be drunk." Fortunately we were all most of the way there already...) *Beethoven's "Ode to Joy": but only in German *The aria "Sempre libera" from the opera La Traviata *The Oscar Meier Wiener Song *The English-language version of "I'm A Pioneer" from the second season of Tenchi Muyo. (It'd make a great theme song for a "Young Wizards" TV series...)
Five things you would do if you were a millionaire: * Dump a whole lot of that money onto various children's, animal and cancer charities * Buy houses in Leukerbad, Chur and Geneva, a townhouse in New York and an apartment in Paris, a hill house in LA, and a house in Ireland (you practically have to be a millionaire to do that these days...) * Charter this boat for an entire summer of cruising the Med with an ever-changing crowd of friends (Protagonist 3 sleeps 11. We saw her in the harbor at Hydra some years back, and I fell in lurrrrrve with her. A big girl's toy!) * Buy a ticket on Virgin Galactic * Take a year off to meditate
Five things you like doing: * Gardening * Eating out in a restaurant I've never been to before * Watching TV with Peter * Staring with thinly-disguised satisfaction at a finished book * Sitting by the fire and watching it snow (cognac optional)
Five things you would never wear again: * The fake chinchilla coat that was really soft and cozy and warm and made me look like a linebacker * A student nurse's cloak with the cross-straps across the front * Come to think of it, a nurse's cap. Starching those things is a nuisance * A gym suit * Shoes with pointy toes (I can't wait for that fashion fad to go away. I hates it, my precioussss...)
Five favorite toys: * My Sony Clié * Ryoh-Ohki I... * ...and Ryoh-Ohki II, my Sharp laptops (even if I is still mostly dysfunctional due to having sake poured into the keyboard) * My iPod * My Nokia 6600
...And now I have to tag five other bloggers. Oh me...
In the inbox (because my Google address finally, inevitably I suppose, made it onto somebody's mailing list):
"Compliments and Greetings. Please kindly allow me introduce myself. My names are Alan Backford, I am an accountant, by age 31 Years, graduate of the American Open University in Dubai, I am an English and I have returned to England for one reason; for the up bringing of my children in an English orientation. I was the head of the account department of a Private Bank in Netherlands and I would like to intimate you with certain facts that I believe would be of interest to you...."
Yeah, I just bet you would. Alan dear...let me intimate you with certain facts. (a) If you are "an English", your school must be waaaaaaaay down the league tables. (b) The Powers that Be and I will be working fairly closely together in the coming weeks. So if you abruptly come down with a plague of boils, don't be surprised. It'll stop the minute you stop spamming.
(An "English orientation"? Is being English a lifestyle all of a sudden? I feel a Python sketch coming on. "Yeah, I went to this party...and somebody asked me if I, you know, wanted to try some tea...and then one of them took me out back and...and said, ''Ere, mate, come on, let's play some cricket...'")
Then, in the referral logs from EuropeanCuisines.com, this query to Google that brought someone to our site:
"What country does Swiss cheese come from"
Oh my gosh. And who's buried in Grant's Tomb? (But later Peter pointed out to me that the most likely answer to this question is "America" -- as, in Switzerland, the cheese with the big holes is Emmentaler. The Swiss themselves [oh, all right, the Raetii then, be that way] haven't had a caseus Helveticus since Julius Caesar's time. [And that was probably Sbrinz anyway.])
Well, I hope we were of some assistance with the question.
...And there was something else as well, but it's slipped my mind at the moment, as it was jarred out of place by something cutting Siff'hah suddenly said to Arhu, and I had to stop and write that down.
Uh oh, it's March again: here comes St. Patrick's Day...
In any given year, between about the 5th and the 17th or March, the stats at EuropeanCuisines.com go through the roof. I try to pay attention to the site, then, and put the links up here and there for people who're interested. But what with one thing and another, I'm going to have zero time to deal with this next week: so for the bloggers among you who're looking for Irish food tips in advance of The Day, here are the links for you...
Part 1 contains ingredient measurements and other advice for soda bread in general. Part 2 contains instructions for "farl" and a very small dissertation on Irish tea. Before viewing either video, please read the article first!
Also, because so many people ask for it: The Original Irish coffee recipe, developed at the old flying-boat base at Foynes (near the present Shannon Airport). The most important words in it: no whipped cream! (You're supposed to use the heaviest pouring cream you can find.) The second most important words: no stirring!
...Many scientists have argued that altruism is a uniquely human function, hard-wired into our brains. The latest study suggests it is a strong human trait, perhaps present more than six million years ago in the common ancestor of chimpanzees and humans.
And the younger you are, the less chance you have for older human primates (i.e. adults...) to have talked you out of one of the behaviors that probably contributed to the survival of our species.
There should be a book. There should be a development deal for a series. Or a feature. Yeah, that's the ticket... :)
posted by Diane: 3/03/2006 11:27:00 PM | link to this post